Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) on Friday accused President Barack Obama of ushering in a second Ottoman Empire in the Middle East through his foreign policy.
Speaking on the House floor, Gohmert accused the Obama administration of allowing Iran to influence Iraq by pulling U.S. troops out, and suggested the attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in the Middle East and North Africa are the result of waning American influence from that decision, The Hill reported.
“Thank you President Barack Hussein Obama. This will be quite a legacy for you,” Gohmert said. “I‘m not one of those who says he’s not a Christian. All I know is that’s between him and God. But what I do know is he has helped jump start a new Ottoman Empire and left our friend and ally Israel so vulnerable in this sea of radicalism that he has helped bring to the surface.”
Gohmert said a recent report showed that approval for the U.S. among those in Muslim countries had slipped from 33 percent under President George W. Bush in 2008 to now just 15 percent under Obama, according to The Hill. A Pew Research Center survey released in June noted that the median approval in Muslim nations for Obama’s policies has declined over the last three years from 34 percent to 15 percent.
“This president is trying to buy affection from people who are bullies, who are radical Islamists, who want to destroy us. You’re not going to get love and affection, you get contempt,” Gohmert said.
Gohmert made a similar reference to a “new Ottoman Empire” in another floor speech earlier this month.
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) on Friday accused President Barack Obama of ushering in a second Ottoman Empire in the Middle East through his foreign policy.
Speaking on the House floor, Gohmert accused the Obama administration of allowing Iran to influence Iraq by pulling U.S. troops out, and suggested the attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in the Middle East and North Africa are the result of waning American influence from that decision, The Hill reported.
“Thank you President Barack Hussein Obama. This will be quite a legacy for you,” Gohmert said. “I‘m not one of those who says he’s not a Christian. All I know is that’s between him and God. But what I do know is he has helped jump start a new Ottoman Empire and left our friend and ally Israel so vulnerable in this sea of radicalism that he has helped bring to the surface.”
Gohmert said a recent report showed that approval for the U.S. among those in Muslim countries had slipped from 33 percent under President George W. Bush in 2008 to now just 15 percent under Obama, according to The Hill. A Pew Research Center survey released in June noted that the median approval in Muslim nations for Obama’s policies has declined over the last three years from 34 percent to 15 percent.
“This president is trying to buy affection from people who are bullies, who are radical Islamists, who want to destroy us. You’re not going to get love and affection, you get contempt,” Gohmert said.
Gohmert made a similar reference to a “new Ottoman Empire” in another floor speech earlier this month.
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Comments (189)
PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:12amIt doesn’t matter who is in office of the POTUS, it would have happened anyway given the “time” we live in. Obama just hurried the plan along. Oh, and “the plan” I speak of was prophesied in the Books of Daniel and John.
GETLIFE
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:00pmI think he wanted to say “caliphate” or something, but that wasn’t pc enough for him.
Sirfoldallot
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:01pmIs it me ? I see Obama showing the American ppl he don’t care ! He will win by fraud & if he loses he has destroyed the USA econmicaly ( light the fuse ) so he don’t care.
V-MindMeld
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:28pmYes I,m afraid your right on the Daniel and John….not afraid myself, but it is so obvious what is coming down the pike now more than ever,,,,and yes obama has done his role in helping bring on the prophecy…..most will not want to recognize this reality until its wayyyyyyy to late,,,,,maybe when Israel is on fire, and the mideast enemys lay in waist from Israels last stand and its nukes, will people realize hey maybe the Bible was right…….read or listen to Revalations folks open your eyes and ears..armageddon is closer then we think…..
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:33pmJust so you all know, the republicans voted overwhelmingly against Rand Paul’s proposal to restrict giving American dollars to countries like Egypt, Libya, and Syria. That is your republican party at work
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/12941-senate-rejects-rand-pauls-call-to-cut-aid-to-pakistan-libya-and-egypt
momrules
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:44pmI agree PAX. Obama, the mystery man, should have never been allowed into the Oval Office but he was. There is a great blindness in America. The year 1948 was the pivotal point.
The_Jerk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:16pmAmerica began creating the new Ottoman empire in 1948.
Saving_the_Republic.com
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:33pmYou are correct, it’s all part of the master plan to bring the US down “equal” to the rest of the world. As he weakens the US he stands by or even encourages the coming caliphate into this new 21st century group of superpower nations. You cannot have an islamic caliphate with the kind of power and influence they are seeking with a superpower based on freedom standing in the way like the US.
You see kids that’s why the Emperor is disarming us, taking our nuclear arsenal down to 1500 (with hopes to get even lower to 3-500) while our enemies are building weapons, and bankrupting this nation. We are too well armed and too rich compared to other nations! Once we are broke and defenseless this Ottoman Empire will roll in because there will be no one left to stand in the way!
1TrueOne55
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:40pmAnd then there is the matter of Armageddon in the book, Revelation of John. I was near that battle-zone in 1986 and it is a tankers nightmare with 200 foot high hills on either side of a river valley that goes from the Sea of Galilee to the Mediterranean Sea. If Hezbollah comes down from the north with Syrian tanks they will hit a choke point and be decimated. But then when God enters the fight it will not matter what your fighting in he can destroy what ever he wants since the Weapons of God are not of this world.
sillyfreshness
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:17pmWhat did we expect electing a Muslim named Barack Hussein Obama? If his name isn’t a dead giveaway, I don’t know what is. His name sounds like he is the the leader of Kenya or Somalia. America be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. And in this case we wished for a politically correct Muslim sympathizer and that’s exactly what we got. If the US reelects him for a 2nd term, then this country will get whatever it deserves.
sillyfreshness
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:19pmMaybe Hussein Obama is the antichrist after all. He came in as a world savior during the election and what he’s led up to is a total all out war in the Middle East between Israel and Iran and whomever else. It might drag the whole world into their conflict.
backoffmonkey
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 5:34pmObama Lied
SEALs DIED !
SUNTZU
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:25pmBHO not the antichrist.Just
his CFO.
SPIN_MD
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:28pmYou are correct. With all due respect the Congressman is incorrect though. I doubt seriously that a caliphate will actually take place. During the Psalm 83 war, Israel will destroy all its enemies in close proximity. Which are the current countries of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and fantastically the West Bank is specifically mentioned. I say that for those unfamiliar with the Bible. If you are a Christian, Biblical prophecy is not fantastic. It just is. WWIII is described in Ezekiel chapters 30 and 38. Most theologians who have researched eschatology are confident that both wars are prior to the rapture and the tribulation described in the Book of Revelation. Islam will not look like it does today in the future. I don’t know exactly into what it will mutate. Many believe it will fuse with apostates of Christianity and Judaism. Some believe it will fuse with Roman Catholicism after the current Pope is gone. It may revert to its actual pagan origins.
Many are indecisive as to the exact countries involved in WWIII since present day country borders are a manufacture of man and not the areas God established or recognized. Some countries most everyone agrees on are Russia, Germany, Turkey, Ethiopia, Sudan, Iran. Some that may or may not be involved are China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and many countries in Indo-China.
One thing is for sure. Neither, Mr. Obama or Mr. Morsi, or any other human for that matter, is in charge of any of this.
rockymtngal
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:10amWhen we read Obama’s executive order 13603 (section 801 PVIII) in conjuction with HLS purchasing billions of rounds of ammo & distributing them to governmental departments (fish and game, forestry dept, etc), you know that something isn’t right with Obama and this administration. Here, we have a president who has appointed Islamic Brotherhood to his administration & saying that the 9/11 attack was over a Youtube video? (that was released in June) Now we‘re hearing it could’ve be an “inside job” of the security team from Wales? While all of this is going on, Obama is sleeping soundly in Las Vegas & states that there wasn’t any indication that something like this was going to happen? Obama couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it. Gohmert is right…and it‘s about time some more representatives start talking openly about Obama’s ideologies, which are NOT in the best interest for our nation.
momprayn
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:44amYes, he is one of the VERY few who are saying it…we must face cold facts re WHY Congress not acting to rein in this evil ROGUE regime…b/c most “R”s are corrupt too & are either being threatened or complicit. Check out a DHS Insider’s comments:
“And forget about the R‘s vs D’s b/c nearly all of them are all playing for the same team. .. They’ve allowed Communists to enter every gpvmt institution inside the beltway, and just about everyone let it happen, helped it happen or watched it happen.”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48202
“The Obama doctrine,.. is one of orchestrated deconstruction of countries getting in the way of the reconstruction of the Islamic Caliphate. Once established, the Islamic Caliphate will usher in a repressive global religion complimentary to the larger globalist agenda. Accordingly, Syria cannot be allowed to exist in its current form, nor can Israel, but for different reasons…
The Obama doctrine of foreign policy is the globalist doctrine, except .. employs the effective use of the MB to advance the globalist agenda.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49575
Another big problem is I don’t know if Romney & crew even realize these things. For too many, this stuff is just too unbelievable plus don’t have the necesssary“hard” evidence to accuse, convict. All bases covered…..that’s why they went “rogue”. Who knows – maybe they’ve been threatened too.
GlennaBeckski
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:24pmROCKYMTNGAL ~~ I posted a link for you to check out but instead of appearing here it appears on the 2nd page. Very Very Interesting Stuff.
Chuck7884
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:10amWith the last OPEC meeting.I would say Rep. Louie Gohmert is quite correct.with Iran and Venezuela calling for a new currency backed system for the sale of oil and a new bank OPEC bank of Arab States that in fact could be construed as the new Ottoman empire.
rambosharley
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:07amGod only knows what this world, much less this country, will look like if he gets 4 more! Jesus help us get rid of this menace!
CatB
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:20pmI didn’t see this on The Blaze .. perhaps I missed it … maybe not …
Obama to Release One Third of Gitmo Inmates
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/22/Obama-to-Release-One-Third-of-Gitmo-Inmates
tess q
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:46pmcatb thanks for the link. this jerk isn’t even driven by his own ideaology anymore. it’s all about the power he has , keeping it and getting more.
Sara123
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:03amIf Americans re-elect Obama, he’ll finish the United States off – constitutionally, economically and culturally. This will please the radical anti-white racist diversity mobs until they realize there is no more free stuff, paid for by other people’s money, to be swipped by the Federal government. If Americans re-elect this man, they deserve the oppression and poverty that he and his radical pals will acheive. American Idol nation is going to meet it’s maker.
Codange
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:06amI agree!!!
Fizz
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:29amAmen
thegreatcarnac
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 7:02pmso….don’t let the little kenyan bast^rd ruin us….we know we mush lead the charge against this communist if he gets elected again. Let the American-wars begin.
Pepper_NC
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:02amB.O. is the enemy within!
barber2
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:04pmThe Manchurian Candidate…
WaterTheTree
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:00amObama’s foreign policies might work if the rest of the world shared our values. They don’t. And he his narcissism blinds him to that. It will take a generation or longer to recover from the damage he’s done.
shogun459
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:57amFor Obama to get to heaven,
He must see the whites in this country suffer what the Blacks did,
for at least as long or nobody gets to paradise.
THAT’S Black LIBERATION Theology.
progressiveslayer
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:07amMakes you wish our founders would have picked their own cotton.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:54amyea, thats what America needs – more troops in Iraq
Fubared
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:18pmNah, we can do the tofu routine an pop out heads out of our asses to then stick them in the sand.
U.N.hater
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:52amThis isn’t just obamas fault. This is also everyone in congress and those who took an oath to deffend this country’s fault. Not one person has challenged him. He should have been arrested 3 years ago allready. All you congressman do is run your mouth’s. Where‘s the damn military leader’s at? Are they in on this to? Has everyone we put in power become our own enemy’s? STFU and do something!
Private_Idaho
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:52amLove the use of the middle name! I admire the back bone that many of the TX representatives use openly. Too bad more of our state leaders don’t speak out and condemn BHO like Rep. Louie Gohmert.
DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:45amObama finished the job his mentor, Jimmy Carter, started. Anyone up for another Crusades?
shorthanded12
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:00amThe only thing Jimmy Carter has up on Barry is that he can prove his citizenship and his whole life has been an open book unlike Barry’s. Anyone care to dispute that?
BODYBAG
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:26amDEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:45am
Anyone up for another Crusades?
_____________________________________________
That may be what it takes and ultimately the only real solution.
Wango
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:35amBUDDYBAG IS EVIL . . . Better idea. Have the governments step aside and let the people fight it out. All the Christians who want to kill Muslims – and all the Muslims who want to kill Christians – you all go to a remote location, say the Gobi desert, and you go at each other until somebody is annihilated. You have your messiah . They have theirs. You have your gubs They have theirs. Problem solved.
I‘m sure you’ll all be the first ones on the plane – all camo’d up. Let us know how it turns out.
DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:18pmWANGO – sounds like a plan. You’re welcome to join us. Or will you stay behind and cower with the women-folk, like liberal males always have?
Fubared
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:21pmWangDang
No fun without collateral damage. I say we stand by and let them have their way with you, then when they have sated themselves on the lemmings we can do bidness. Useless tools have a function. Don’t ever sell yourself short.
Wango
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:28pmCONSAREEVIL . . . I’ll stay behind with the real Americans. Don’t worry, I’ll take good care of your women folk.
BODYBAG
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:35pm@WANKER
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:35am
BUDDYBAG IS EVIL
All the Christians who want to kill Muslims – and all the Muslims who want to kill Christians
________________________________________________
DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL is the username I was addressing, not a statement.
You expose your ignorance here. Christians do not want to kill Muslims. I certainly dont
Its the other way around. Every Christian I know just wants to go about their business
peacefully without interference. Muslims are ultimately unable to tolerate the existence
of any other belief system.
Peace accords, peace treaties, peace agreements, etc – they’re all a FARCE because
these people dont want peace. American leadership has always made the mistake of
attempting to apply a western mindset to the Arab world, and the fact is, they dont think
like us. They’re a warring people. It does not matter what you give them, it will never be
enough. Their worldview includes destruction of Israel/western society and world dominance.
And even if you gave them that, they’d find something else to fight about.
So, yes, there are those of us who care enough about our country and our lives that
we’re willing to pick up a firearm if necessary to defend your freedom to sit in your
jammies at home on sunday and heckle whomever you like.
loriann12
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:50pmI researched the crusades and discovered things I didn’t realize. I always thought/was taught that the crusades were fought to force Christianity onto people…no, far from it. The Muslims attacked Israel, you know the place that Christians have pilgramed to for centuries because CHRIST was born and killed in that region. the Muslims killed 3,000 christians. We went to avenge them.
pissantno.10
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:24pmlet them come here they have to come a shore on the east or west coast they would be doing us a great favor by weeding out all the liberals . all we have to do is stay to the west of them, play the call to prayer and you have a target
Cymry
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:44ambarry can recite the adan (muslim call to prayer) in perfect arabic (it’s their admission of faith prayer).
what do Larry Klayman, Pamela Geller and Orly Taitz have in common?
1. They’re Jewish
2. They have questions about barry’s natural born citizenship (and thus his eligibility to be potus)
I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.
shorthanded12
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:43amHeres my 2 cents, when a man changes his name from more of a western style name to a muslim name sits in a black radical preachers church and claims to not hear anything, throws his white grandmother under the bus is mentored by two American Radicals (Frank Marshall Davis an Bill Ayers) launches his political career in the most corrupt city (Chicago). Panders to the select few in this country (Gays, Unions) Uses the black and hipanic race for political purposes. SPEAKS VOLUME about ones Demeanor/Charector. In a NUT Shell A pure Communist/Marist/Socialist<—–Pick your poisen. Bad for America and a disaster for the world.
shorthanded12
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:52amAs a footnote; The “CHOOM CLUB” caused to many brain cells to be disorted for LIFE.
bobby12
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:52amWell said!!
KarinS
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:53amSo true….
rambosharley
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:05amI agree with your ‘2 cents’!
GodFearingMama
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:48amYou would think that everyone knows this by now right? So how is it he is ahead in the polls?
cookcountypatriot
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:58amvery well put,,i agree….your post should be on every site on the net…..
Yankee
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:43amThis is a precisely correct assessment, except that this time it may not be led by the relatively level-headed Turks.
sandy21957
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:51amTurks aren’t level-headed. Ask the Armenians. The Turks make Hitler look good.
Walkabout
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:58amPeoples at the butt end of a genocides comitted by Turks:
1-Greeks
2-Armenians
3-Assyrians
The southern Turkish province of Antioch was mainly ethnic Syrians of one sect or another until the Turks purged them.
Wango
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:03pmWALKABOUT . . . You forgot the Episcopalians.
Sirfoldallot
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:28pm@ wango – Have u found parents yet 2 adopt u ?
Walkabout
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:51pmWango (From Urban Dictionary)
The act of eating out someones b/tt hole
Walkabout
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:54pmWango,
If I knew who you were, I would surely let any & all Greeks, Armenians & Assyrians know all about you.
Then I sit down on a lawn chair with some popcorn.
I don’t claim to be devout.
Cemoto78
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:40amSeems the Muslim nations have the same amount of contempt for America as Americans have for Congress.
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:39amTwo great speeches by Rep. Gohmert two Friday’s in a row.
I wonder what next Friday will bring? Perhaps he should do these speeches on Mon morning and not Fri night…..
Gooooooooo Gohmert!!!!
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:10amMonk, you think we should have more troops and be fighting more wars over there?
whatthecrazy
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:48ami will drink to that………………….later that is
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:24pmHi Soybom315,
Nope, I sure don’t. But, since they were there already with a goal in mind, perhaps we should have stayed until it was done. I think that is what Gohmert was saying. Also, that with the exploding growth of a new Ottoman Empire we might have been able to keep Iraq from being influenced more by Iran.
I pretty sure that was his point. Saving any Country from being a part of a new Ottoman Empire especially after spending so much money and losing so much blood on said Country.
What do you think? (Besides that we should have never been in Iraq in the first place)
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:57pmThe-Monk
Exactly what is the goal in Afghanistan and what was the goal in Iraq? It seems to me that we achieved the goal within the first couple months in both countries.
What i thought was based on what i was told by the repubilcans – which was that Iraq was a direct threat to our existence and had to be removed in order to establish a middle east democracy. That turned out to be a lie and misguided policy. You are asking what i would do right now? I would remove our troops from the line of fire and remove all embassies from islamic countries. People talk about creating the environment of freedom over there, but that is exactly what lead to the muslim brotherhood has gaining control in egypt, libya, and iraq – and at the same time, the republicans are blaming it all on Obama….Which tells me that nothing has changed in America
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:07pmHi Soybom315,
If you knew the history of the relationship between Iraq and the Brits (Westerners and main alleys of the US) you would know why Iraq was considered a threat. Here’s a quickie lesson for you;
After WWI the Brits wanted to go into Turkey and didn’t have the man power. Since they controlled Iraq (just like India) they asked Iraq to help. Iraq said no; the Turks were their friends. In 1920 the King of Iraq and the Brits reached a deal. Iraq would help the Brits conquer Turkey and if successful, Iraq would win it’s freedom. Well, they won and the Brits reneged on the deal. For 17 years they continued control of Iraq. Then in 1937, with Hitler doing his thing, the Brits granted Iraq it’s freedom. BUT, the Brits would keep the port city (Kuwait) cutting Iraq off from the Persian Sea. They pleaded and the Brits agreed to leave a space open on the East side of the Country and put the King’s brother (or son, I forget) in charge of Kuwait. 50 years later, after struggling to get Iraq going, they asked the US for permission the take Kuwait back through Madeleine Albright. All are weapons storage was full and military contractors were having massive layoffs. So the US agreed and Iraq went in. Then we said, “what do you guys think you’re doing” and rained down 40 days and nights of hell, emptying our warehouses and keeping jobs. Iraq vowed revenge and started a WMD program. Any scientist who failed was shot.
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:08pmAny scientist who failed was shot. So, they told Hussein the nuke program was working to keep from being shot by Hussein. One of the scientists escaped and even did a 60 Minutes show on it. I even remember the Sec of Labor at the time, Robert Reich, being grilled hard about why we were in Iraq. Everyone was saying it was for oil and the Government didn’t want that said. So, during this “grilling” Reich said, “You want to know why we’re there? You really want to know why we’re there? Jobs. That’s why US jobs.” I watched it and remember it well.
You see, the intel coming right from Hussein’s scientists was that the nuke program was working. And if you figure in what the Brits (our friends) did to them up until 1937, the struggles to make a Gov, them being told it’s OK to take Kuwait back the all hell for 40 days and night WITHOUT taking Hussein out. Well, that’s why we went back in the second time. We and the Brits both, owe Iraq some rebuilding and safety from Iran. Or don’t try teach real history at Dr. Paul camps? The US AG back then was Ramsey Clark who happened to be a friend of mine. So I got my history lessons about what we did from him and about the Brits did from a friend of Gandhi and Nehru who witnessed it in person. Now think about all this please.
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:13pmI forgot to add…..
Now you know why the Turks and Kurds hate Iraq so much.
Starting to make some sense now?
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:18pmOne more thing……
Ramsey Clark was the first US person to enter Iraq after the 40 days and nights of hell. It was just 1 week after the bombing and was did it illegally. The US Gov denied anyone to visit but he went anyways. We talked for hours about what he saw. THIS is what drove my friend Ramsey crazy and literally hate the US Gov.
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:33pmHere’s a bit more to check into…
Kuwait History Timeline & Facts
Concise Facts, Timeline and History about Kuwait
700′s – Kuwait became a part of the Abbasid empire
1500′s became part of the Ottoman Empire
In 1899 Kuwait became a British protectorate
Kuwait Independence in 1961
Allied with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War
Occupied by Iraq in August 1990
The Iraqi forces were defeated and the emir of Kuwait was reinstated.
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:11pmNow consider this:
Do you remember the Iraq soldiers surrendering to reporters as they were leaving Kuwait? Do you remember them setting fire to oil rigs? Ever wonder why?
Iraq gave up and asked for permission the leave Kuwait. We said OK and gave them 48 hours (the time might be off but that’s what I remember) to leave. When crossing the desert, we were there with bulldozers and Blackhawk helicopters. We dug trenches in the sand, forced them into them (soldiers, wounded and medics) with the helio’s than buried them alive. They set fires in retaliation for us not keeping our word on free and safe passage back to Iraq. Those who found reporters with cameras (on the roads) surrendered to them because we were after them.
As for Afghanistan, I don’t know too much about that. But, India, Iraq and some other regions; Oh, yeah!
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:54pmSorry for the typos and some bad grammar….. I typed that out rather quickly. : )
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 5:19pmthanks for the background, but you didnt answer my question(s)
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 5:32pmHi Soybom315,
Please ask again. : )
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:06pmHi Soybom315,
OK…. Part 1
“Exactly what is the goal in Afghanistan and what was the goal in Iraq?”
The goal of going into Iraq the first time was J O B S. It’s that simple. We had made so many weapons we didn’t have any place to store the next-gen weapons. Massive layoffs in 3rd party contractors were happening. Then, Iraq asked us if they could go into Kuwait and take it back (It was part of Iraq in the past). We saw an opportunity to clear up some space and hatched a plan. We told them yes and then acted like it was an invasion (remember the Hussein trials? He keep saying Kuwait was part of Iraq). Hence the 40 days and nights of 2,000 sorties a day. Cleaned up the storage issue and the 3rd party contractors could go back to work, more layoffs were prevented and people were rehired. And Bush 1 left Hussein in charge. And he vowed REVENGE against the USA!!! And he went to work on a nuke program. He would ask his scientists how things were going. When the lead scientist said, “not so well”, Hussein would pull out his pistol, shoot him right there in front of the other scientists and put the #2 guy in charge. After a few times of this happening they started to lie to Hussein. “Oh, Mr. Hussein, the nuke program is going splendidly!” This started the false intel of the weapons program and the reason the Brits, Russians and US ALL were fooled into believing it. Even the intel coming from Israel was wrong.
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:32pmPart 2
Bush 2 is in office now and Daddy (Bush 1) likes Jeb (Son 2) more than George (Son 1). A bit of family feuding going on. At this time all this intel is coming in about Iraq and it’s nuke program. Everyone, and I mean everyone; Russia, Britain, Israel and the USA are getting the same reports. Hussein is working on a nuke program and it’s “going along splendidly”. Bush 2 wants to impress Daddy and decides to go in and get Hussein. Something Daddy couldn’t even do. Besides, the USA and Britain know what happened in Desert Storm and that Hussein is seeking revenge. The IAEA can’t even get in to verify anything. The UN approves a US invasion.
(Starting to sound a bit like Iran but without Bush 2?)
So we go in and find no nukes. But the scientists are alive because they lied to save their lives. We figure it out and decide to finally do something nice and help them out with security, power and water and with a new Gov since Hussein is dead. You see; we know what we did in Desert Storm and are trying to make amends with the people. Bush 2 is happy because he finished the job his father started and now we try to be the “good guys”. That’s why we were still in Iraq. Obama doesn’t know any of this and is just trying to get votes. He really doesn’t care about Iraq or if our troops are there. Remember, he did send more troops in too.
Part 3 is next…..
Verceofreason
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:33pmLouie’s brain cells are having a constant food fight in his head
The-Monk
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:59pmPart 3 (and final)
Hussein was part of the Ba’ath Party and ruled with an iron fist because all the different sects were always fighting for power. With Hussein gone the other sects came in, while we were trying to finally do something good, they started causing trouble. We started fighting them and chased them into Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda got involved with the Taliban and we are still there for some stupid reason; trying to stabilize an un-stabilizing situation. As I said before, I don’t know much of the history of Afghanistan.
Ask Dr. Paul about all of this. He’s been a Washington politician for some time and should be able to verify all of this for you. I hope this answers your questions. As you can see, I didn’t white-wash any Republican actions or motives. I didn’t bash the Democrats, Independents or even Ron Paul. I hope you appreciate that and have your answers. Please feel to ask anything else.
Also:
We do have a mad man in Iran that wants the return of the Mahdi (the 12th Imam) and the Caliphate. We also have Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood who want a Caliphate and Sharia Law. The World is real screwed up and if Obama stays in power it will only get worse because he hates America and likes Muslims more than us. He will bring the US to its knees; and we might never be able to stand again.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 8:19pmMonk it is really hard to follow your connections. You say we went into Iraq in 2003 to stop their nuclear program? How come we found zero evidence of it (and Bush was looking for it, for political reasons) and honest minds like Colin Powell saw that we were duped and quit in disgust?
Nevertheless, if you say the goal of Iraq was to get rid of their nuclear weapons program – then we no longer should be there. mission complete, case closed. Afganistan tried to get nuclear weapons and Al Qaeda has moved into other countries – why are we still in Afganistan – what is the goal?
We cannot prevent the spread of an idea in the middle east – especially using our heavy footprint.
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:37am“This president is trying to buy affection from [people who are bullies], who are radical Islamists, who want to destroy us. You’re not going to get love and affection, you get contempt.”
Now you’ve gone and done it Gohmert… that’s statement that will awaken the Ron Paul / Gary Johnson folks who will use that against you.
WE are the “bullies”, not the radical Islamists. WE brought all this all ire upon ourselves… NOT the radical Islamists. They’ve just been minding their own business until WE “bullied” them into radicalizing, rioting, terrorizing and murdering.
It’s OUR fault Gohmert… the “neo-cons”….
DAMN that Israel !!
just the facts
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:50amLove your sense of humor.
I’m willing to wager 99.8% of the citizens of there United States have no idea who – what – where – why – when the Ottoman was. It was a great point, but for the libs, way way over their heads.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:55amyou just cant get over us, can you
The_Pointy_End
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:03amJust keep in mind anyone who makes this argument is suffering from the psychological condition of Battered Person Syndrome.
progressiveslayer
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:04amTIME2 Are you charging Ron Paul for all the real estate he’s using in your tiny brain?
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:13amSOY. It’s important to continually point out both enemies at the gates. You believe it to include all Republicans and Conservatives and those of us who supported anyone other than Ron Paul, and now your 1st runner-up… Johnson.
I see YOU and your ilk (ohh, that’s right… you’re Constitutionalists… you can’t be ALL bad right? Meh) along with Obama/Dem Party loyalists as the enemy. Based on what I‘ve read over the months from The Blaze’s posters… you’re behind in the polls and a wee bit of a minority SOY. But you like that dontcha’? The kid in the back of the class… irritating and heckling the smarter kids. As I’ve stated numerous times… malcontents and miscreants best describe the Ron Paul / Gary Johnson Obama enablers these days.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:17amI am not the one making categorical generalizations – you are
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:20amSLAYER. I go after Ron Paul and his acolytes (you) for free. Call it a Public Service. While he rides off into the sunset… we are left with his idological step children. The good choice you’ve made as of late is to not mention his name as you did when I first came on The Blaze. Seems‘ you’re trying to fit in… lol. Good job SLAYER. Btw… still voting for the “other guy”…??
Individualism
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:20amkeep saying that truth until i gets into your think skull.
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:29amINDI wrote… “keep saying that truth until i gets into your think skull.” WTHey ??
Knowing you as a Paul / Johnson supporter… what comes to MY mind INDI… “this is YOUR mind on drugs.”
Jarhead 88
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:35amINDI. – Your pathetic attempt at English always makes me laugh, you poor fool. You fit right in with the Paul/Johnson idiots.
Individualism
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:59am88? looks like we got a nazi murderer lol.
barber2
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:01pmTime: thanks for the laugh…something so needed in this mess called Obama’s America …
Jarhead 88
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:08pmINDI. “Nazi murderer” WTH are you talking about dummy? Did you hit your crack pipe again before typing?
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:21pmBARBER2. You’re welcome for the laugh. BUT… this IS serious business when we look at it in a serious way. The supposed “Liberty Movement”… “Viva La Revolucion-aries”… the Ron Paul isolationist ideology (and their SOY styled parrots) tend to side with America’s enemies (both here and “over there”). These are the same idjits that fall behind Bradley Manning, shake hands with Code-Pink and apologize for Palestinians, Islam and Iran while blaming America and patriotic Americans, along with Israel for all the problems around the world.
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:25pmYeah…. INDI likes his Nazis to go free and… unmurdered. They financially supported and voted for Ron Paul. Just ask David Duke and his Klan…. Lol.
Individualism
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:46pmthey team with humanities friends and blame humanities enemies and those who are causing the problems nothing wrong with that time 2. btw Romney is Obama but white so basically the only reason for him over Obama is racism.
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:04pmINDI… you could be beaten about the head and shoulders with a baseball bat and you would still get up antagonize common sense Americans with nonsensical rants, musings and mumblings. I’m not sure whether I should give you kudos for your perserverance or tell you to ask your nurse to up your meds.
It’s beyond belief that the other Paul / Johnson acolytes here don’t disown you. Must be that they realize that one more vote for Obama (sorry, Paul / Johnson / Goode) is wayyy more important than taking you to task. Same reason they tend to stick up for the racists, bigots, White Supremicists, drug abusers, child porn advocates, the incestuous, neo-Nazi’s, radical Islamists and even Louis Farrakhan along with any OTHER nut that happens along and attaches itself/themselves to “The Liberty Movement”…. or speaks highly of it.
hold_my_stones
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:24pmPaulies & Johnstonites, please give it up. Your guy lost fair & square and Johnston has no chance. A vote for Gary J is a vote for Obama. Obama must be taken out of the White House, then this will buy you more time to push for establishing your 2016 3rd party. Time is running out and another 4 by this destroyer & fraud will cease all chances of you guys to attain your goal. Please guys, vote for Romney on this round, Obama has to be stopped.
I hear you guys saying Romney is more of Obama, but you don’t know that for certain. Its a chance we have to take, we all know what we’re in for with more of the rogue criminal fraud tearing our nation down faster than a speeding auto-train.
Jarhead 88
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:50pmHitting INDI with a bat is bat abuse, LOL, that rock sitting on his shoulders might be granite.
progressiveslayer
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 2:30pmTime2 I‘ll be voting for the crony capitalist since I’ve been bashing the Marxist POS since 08.
thibx
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:37ami will say he is not a christian. Jesus said look at the fruit to see what they bear. a good tree cannot bear evil fruit and an evil tree cannot bear good fruit. the fruit he bears is evil. he is a muslim and probably a radical one. he had friends in pakastan in palastine and muslim brotherhood for years. now he pretends he is for poor people when he defended slumlords against tentants who had no heat in chicago winters. aborted babies still alive thrown in closets. hell i think if he gets gets elected he will be worse than hitler because he is setting up israel now.
bdandsl
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:36amObama and Clinton have blood on their hands! They have to own this with their asinine, liberal policies of pandering and apologizing.
Chuck7884
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:43amIt started with Carter.Appeasement has been the rule ever since. can not just blame one President.have been paying billions of dollars in ade ever since.
Eastinfection
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:33amI know he’s built an army of unemployed sitting at home on their ottomans all day.
noslave
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:06amhey with 99 wks to look for work,food stamps allowing beer ,cigarettes,steaks and cakes,no work required to get welfare,more like a lazy-boy recliner??
progressiveslayer
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:32amIf we ever exploit ALL our natural resources like the 1.5 trillion barrels of shale oil in the US and our NG we can tell the entire middle east to F OFF. That‘s the only reason we’re in that region and once we stop paying them trillions of dollars for oil and use our natural resources we can be done with them.
Kill all so called ‘green energy’ programs here and rescue our coal industry from the Marxist POS currently destroying it we’ll be okay.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:31amActually it will be called a Caliphate.
Right now though our world is about to have a massive legacy of Obama left behind; that of a regional war in the Middle East in which Israel may fall and Iran arise as the dominate power; along with war between China – Japan.
Understand, the world is shifting dramatically now in the way of geopolitical alliances and of the governments; Obama unleashed this with support to the Arab Spring and the failure to support the real Democratic uprising within Iran.
Due to his massive failures, his name shall bear shame in history worse than Chamberlin.
progressiveslayer
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:46amAs you may know Barry sees America as the cause of all the worlds problems,hence the apology tour,the most sickening display of a President I’ve ever seen. I believe Barry when he says he‘s going to fundamentally transform America because he’s doing it. He’s determined to lower our standard of living and our influence throughout the world.In short he’s making us pay,literally trillions in dollars and our civil liberties are further eroded with the Marxist heathen in charge.
barber2
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:07amPRO: Obama is just trying to fulfill the Dreams of His Father : “ social justice” / aka revenge for Western colonialism and capitalism ! There is an angry man hidden under those well-tailored outfits. ( I have a photo from campaign 2008 of Michele doing the Black Power Clenched fist raised in the air and a scowl on her face that would strip paint from a wall ). Think that clenched fist represents Obama and this New Far Left Democrat Party of radicals. They operate under a new set of ” ruLes.” Pure Alisnky. Pure Marxist. Pure un-American. NOBAMA 2012 NO DEMOCRATS 2012
Gary_K
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:31amWhy hasn’t anyone in congress spoken up on all the bad policies and ex orders for the last 3 1/2 years. Why now?
I think this is an election year.
AJAYW
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:42amWe don’t have a congress – obama has showen us that– they are spineless punks trying to keep their do nothing jobs- living off the tax payers — One Term should be the standard and paid 100,000,00 a year with no other bennies.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:56am@Gary
Because if the republicans spoke out out against bad foreign policy and executive orders, it would make them hypocrites. See G.W. Bush years
Gary_K
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:50amSoy, I thought they already were !
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:55amnot really. That talk show hosts do but you dont see it much from the elected officials
LibertyMindedAboveAllElse
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:25amThis transformation began when we thought we could “Nation Build” our enemies homelands. Remove dictators and whoever is the #2 most powerful influence in the country fills the vacuum. In this case it was theocracies. Bad foreign policy under Bush and Obama. We hear the shouts of “Obama will let Iran get a nuke!” Yes he will. Just as Bush let North Korea build one while declaring he would not let it happen. Different parties….same policies….wake up sheep.
Jaimo
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:32amWasn’t it Clinton who let north Korea get nukes under the guise of energy production?
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:47amLove the “wake up sheep” reference. Tell me, are you at a level far above we the sheep? Goat maybe?
Walkabout
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:55am“Nation Build” our enemies homelands
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We did that after WW2 successfully. But after WW2 means AFTER the war.
We are trying or were trying to build during an active war in Afghanistan. An enemy that has secure bases (with only occasional pinpricks by drone) in the Swat Valley & northern.Southern Waziristan is not AFTER the War.
Iraq was just about “after the War” & we almost succeeded, but Obama cut & ran like a yellow dog.
Now Iran owns 1/2 to 2/3rds of Iraq. It owns the core of Iraq which is enough for Iran to project some power.
cmg456
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:58amI think you are absolutely correct.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:08amif someone has not learned the mistakes of the past and is determined to repeat them – that person is ‘asleep’
history does not forgive those who dont learn from their mistakes
Quixotic-911
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:20amYes, Clinton GAVE North Korea breeder reactors.
Individualism
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:24amyeah time for a third party or the end of political parties.
Wango
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:39amWANKABOUT . . . “Iraq was just about “after the War” & we almost succeeded, but Obama cut & ran like a yellow dog.’
Sorry, but conservatives all said “Bush won the war.” So which is it?
I believe the yellow dog you’re looking for is Reagan, who cut and ran like a yellow dog after 83 of our Marines were killed in Beirut. Reagan is the reason Arab radicals are as bold and ruthless as they are today. But gosh, he sure looked good in jodhpurs, didn’t he? Wow what a guy!
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:13pmWANGO. Actually it was more like 240 or more Marines if memory serves me right, along with 50 some-odd French paratroopers. They should have never been there in the first place… like sitting ducks, lightly armed and not permitted to take the high ground. That was a major mistake. Reagan certainly made a blunder there. Marines DO NOT cut and run… neither does the rest of our Military.
No excuses for that blunder. It should have given us firmer resolve in the region as opposed to walking away…
Wango
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:30pmTime . . .You’re right . . .it was in ‘83 that it happened, not 83 dead. My mixup. The point remains.
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Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:07pmWANGO. I’ll still take Reagan over any who have succeeded him as POTUS. Let’s throw his immediate predecessor in that mix too just for sh!ts and giggles eh?
Walkabout
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:00pmThe Marines were not allowed to have loaded weapons in a war zone on Beirut. So was it a mistake to send them there or was it the lack of sound tactics.
I remember the Lebanese Civil War. It started when the PL F______ O started setting up checkpoints & selectively killing Christians. they had set up in Lebanon after trying to take over Jordan (Black September) & had been routed by the Jordanians.
We did win in Iraq. You can look at the casualty count it was way down. We could have lost Germany after WW2 & we won that war.